Comments on: Ethanol: great politics, ineffective energy http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2008/04/05/ethanol-great-politics-ineffective-energy/ The voice of Clarksville, Tennessee Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:42:47 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Charlie Peters http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2008/04/05/ethanol-great-politics-ineffective-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-10624 Charlie Peters Mon, 29 Dec 2008 23:44:26 +0000 http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/?p=4190#comment-10624 ”Unlike MTBE, little is known about the impacts of ethanol releases into groundwater or the environment. However, because ethanol is the primary ingredient of beverage alcohol, which is classified by the California Proposition 65 Committee and other cancer experts as a human carcinogen, many are concerned about the possibility that ethanol may pose a cancer risk. Additionally, independent researchers have determined that ethanol in groundwater can extend plumes of other more potent gasoline carcinogens (benzene, toluene, etc.) up to 25%. In addition, ethanol is less effective than MTBE at fighting air pollution, and due to transportation and supply problems, will likely increase gasoline prices.” Stella Sez, Hemmings Motor News, July 2000 http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/capp/july.html ”Unlike MTBE, little is known about the impacts of ethanol releases into groundwater or the environment. However, because ethanol is the primary ingredient of beverage alcohol, which is classified by the California Proposition 65 Committee and other cancer experts as a human carcinogen, many are concerned about the possibility that ethanol may pose a cancer risk. Additionally, independent researchers have determined that ethanol in groundwater can extend plumes of other more potent gasoline carcinogens (benzene, toluene, etc.) up to 25%. In addition, ethanol is less effective than MTBE at fighting air pollution, and due to transportation and supply problems, will likely increase gasoline prices.”

Stella Sez, Hemmings Motor News, July 2000

http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/capp/july.html

]]> By: Dangousity http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2008/04/05/ethanol-great-politics-ineffective-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-6608 Dangousity Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:36:44 +0000 http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/?p=4190#comment-6608 (quote) Have you noticed that diesel fuel is selling for almost 80 cents more than gasoline? That is because refinery profits are running at normal for diesel, which has no substitutes. Oh, really? Diesels have no substitutes? Since when has this come about? I figured when I went to the pump and saw Soybean bio-diesel, that would be similar to Corn-ethanol. Now call me silly But there are a lot of substitutes for Diesel, aka Bio Diesel, algae Diesel ( i know long shot), Do you know China, Austria, Brazil, and a lot of other countries are producing Jatropha Diesel, Heck they are even growing it in Florida! The big reason gas is cheaper, its outta season, diesel is always higher in the winter due to it being a heating oil. Also tons of people aren't worried about Diesel due to the fact that only 7% or so of the US Cars/Trucks are Diesel. So i think It would be correct to assume there are actually the same number or more substitutes for Diesel then Gas (quote) Have you noticed that diesel fuel is selling for almost 80 cents more than gasoline? That is because refinery profits are running at normal for diesel, which has no substitutes.

Oh, really? Diesels have no substitutes? Since when has this come about? I figured when I went to the pump and saw Soybean bio-diesel, that would be similar to Corn-ethanol. Now call me silly But there are a lot of substitutes for Diesel, aka Bio Diesel, algae Diesel ( i know long shot), Do you know China, Austria, Brazil, and a lot of other countries are producing Jatropha Diesel, Heck they are even growing it in Florida! The big reason gas is cheaper, its outta season, diesel is always higher in the winter due to it being a heating oil. Also tons of people aren’t worried about Diesel due to the fact that only 7% or so of the US Cars/Trucks are Diesel.
So i think It would be correct to assume there are actually the same number or more substitutes for Diesel then Gas

]]> By: MikeG50 http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2008/04/05/ethanol-great-politics-ineffective-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-6560 MikeG50 Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:02:36 +0000 http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/?p=4190#comment-6560 Merryl Lynch says that the 7 billion gallons of ethanol being produced has lowered the price of gasoline by 45 cents per gallon. Have you noticed that diesel fuel is selling for almost 80 cents more than gasoline? That is because refinery profits are running at normal for diesel, which has no substitutes. Refinery profits on gasoline are near zero, because 7% of gasoline is being replaced by ethanol. Stockpiles of gasoline are at 14 year highs today. USDA Economist Ephraim Leibtag says that it takes a 50% increase in the price of corn to have less than a 1% effect on the price of food. When you have 4 cents of corn in a $3 box of cornflakes, you can't have much effect on the final price. Claims that ethanol are causing food prices to go up, whenever the cost of food is determined 80% by the price of oil, are simply ridiculous. Our country is spending 1/2 of a trillion dollars per year on foreign oil. Every dollar spent on gasoline stays in the U.S. This alone is reason to use ethanol. Our spending on foreign oil is not sustainable. It will bring our country down. As far as energy balance goes, it takes twice as much energy to create a gallon of gasoline than it does to create a gallon of ethanol. It also takes 8 to 10 times more water to refine gasoline than it does ethanol. This writer states that 15 gallons of ethanol requires enough corn to feed one person a year. Oh? It takes about 5 bushels of corn, which is valued at $25-$30, to produce 15 gallons of ethanol. Does anyone believe that you can feed a person for a year on 5 bushels or $25 worth of corn? Mike Geske President, Missouri Corn Growers Association Merryl Lynch says that the 7 billion gallons of ethanol being produced has lowered the price of gasoline by 45 cents per gallon. Have you noticed that diesel fuel is selling for almost 80 cents more than gasoline? That is because refinery profits are running at normal for diesel, which has no substitutes. Refinery profits on gasoline are near zero, because 7% of gasoline is being replaced by ethanol. Stockpiles of gasoline are at 14 year highs today.

USDA Economist Ephraim Leibtag says that it takes a 50% increase in the price of corn to have less than a 1% effect on the price of food. When you have 4 cents of corn in a $3 box of cornflakes, you can’t have much effect on the final price. Claims that ethanol are causing food prices to go up, whenever the cost of food is determined 80% by the price of oil, are simply ridiculous.

Our country is spending 1/2 of a trillion dollars per year on foreign oil. Every dollar spent on gasoline stays in the U.S. This alone is reason to use ethanol. Our spending on foreign oil is not sustainable. It will bring our country down.

As far as energy balance goes, it takes twice as much energy to create a gallon of gasoline than it does to create a gallon of ethanol. It also takes 8 to 10 times more water to refine gasoline than it does ethanol.

This writer states that 15 gallons of ethanol requires enough corn to feed one person a year. Oh? It takes about 5 bushels of corn, which is valued at $25-$30, to produce 15 gallons of ethanol. Does anyone believe that you can feed a person for a year on 5 bushels or $25 worth of corn?

Mike Geske
President, Missouri Corn Growers Association

]]> By: Charlie Peters http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2008/04/05/ethanol-great-politics-ineffective-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-6545 Charlie Peters Sun, 06 Apr 2008 06:18:21 +0000 http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/?p=4190#comment-6545 Does corn fuel ethanol policy increase oil use and oil profit? * Some folks think so * Clean Air Performance Professionals Does corn fuel ethanol policy increase oil use and oil profit?

* Some folks think so

* Clean Air Performance Professionals

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