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		<title>By: Bill Larson</title>
		<link>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2009/04/20/red-light-cameras-will-soon-be-online/comment-page-1/#comment-11346</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a crap shoot and depends on how the judge is feeling that day.  

   (2)  Yellow alone or “Caution,” when shown following the green or “Go” signal:			
          (A)  Vehicular traffic facing the signal is warned that the red or “Stop” signal will be exhibited immediately thereafter and that vehicular traffic shall not enter or cross the intersection when the red or “Stop” signal is exhibited; and

     (3)  Red alone or “Stop”:
           (A)  Vehicular traffic facing the signal shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until green or “Go” is shown alone. A right turn on a red signal shall be permitted at all intersections within the state; provided, that the prospective turning car shall come to a full and complete stop before turning and that the turning car shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and cross traffic traveling in accordance with their traffic signal; provided, further, such turn will not endanger other traffic lawfully using the intersection. A right turn on red shall be permitted at all intersections, except those that are clearly marked by a “No Turns On Red” sign, which may be erected by the responsible municipal or county governments at intersections which they decide require no right turns on red in the interest of traffic safety;

So the odds are not good in the situation you describe. You may have luck if you can determine that the intersection does not meet the state or federal minimum standards for that intersection. It&#039;s based on the speed of the road, width of the intersection, if there is a grade or a curve leading up to the light.

Your best bet is to ask a lawyer..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a crap shoot and depends on how the judge is feeling that day.  </p>
<p>   (2)  Yellow alone or “Caution,” when shown following the green or “Go” signal:<br />
          (A)  Vehicular traffic facing the signal is warned that the red or “Stop” signal will be exhibited immediately thereafter and that vehicular traffic shall not enter or cross the intersection when the red or “Stop” signal is exhibited; and</p>
<p>     (3)  Red alone or “Stop”:<br />
           (A)  Vehicular traffic facing the signal shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until green or “Go” is shown alone. A right turn on a red signal shall be permitted at all intersections within the state; provided, that the prospective turning car shall come to a full and complete stop before turning and that the turning car shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and cross traffic traveling in accordance with their traffic signal; provided, further, such turn will not endanger other traffic lawfully using the intersection. A right turn on red shall be permitted at all intersections, except those that are clearly marked by a “No Turns On Red” sign, which may be erected by the responsible municipal or county governments at intersections which they decide require no right turns on red in the interest of traffic safety;</p>
<p>So the odds are not good in the situation you describe. You may have luck if you can determine that the intersection does not meet the state or federal minimum standards for that intersection. It&#8217;s based on the speed of the road, width of the intersection, if there is a grade or a curve leading up to the light.</p>
<p>Your best bet is to ask a lawyer..</p>
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		<title>By: jeny33213</title>
		<link>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2009/04/20/red-light-cameras-will-soon-be-online/comment-page-1/#comment-11345</link>
		<dc:creator>jeny33213</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are my chances in contesting? I know I ran the light but that was because I couldn&#039;t stop at the line in time. Hey maybe I&#039;m just slow but I applied breaks in my van but didn&#039;t feel I could safely stop ( would have stopped in the middle of intersection )in time so choose to continue on. What are my options? I don&#039;t really want to pay an extra $120 if the judge doesn&#039;t think that&#039;s a good enough reason and I don&#039;t want to pay the $50. If a real officer was present they would have seen I was trying to stop. The camera isn&#039;t video so that&#039;s hard to prove. Help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are my chances in contesting? I know I ran the light but that was because I couldn&#8217;t stop at the line in time. Hey maybe I&#8217;m just slow but I applied breaks in my van but didn&#8217;t feel I could safely stop ( would have stopped in the middle of intersection )in time so choose to continue on. What are my options? I don&#8217;t really want to pay an extra $120 if the judge doesn&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a good enough reason and I don&#8217;t want to pay the $50. If a real officer was present they would have seen I was trying to stop. The camera isn&#8217;t video so that&#8217;s hard to prove. Help!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Larson</title>
		<link>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2009/04/20/red-light-cameras-will-soon-be-online/comment-page-1/#comment-11140</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But that&#039;s not true. Many lights are timed to entrap motorists. The light is timed too short and the motorist is left with a choice jam hard on their brakes, and get into an accident, or proceed through the intersection and get a ticket for a fraction of a second infraction on the red-light. I have no issues with people who intentionally run the light getting ticketed.  I do have serious issues when the light entraps the person into running it. 

I have issues with the safety impacts of these cameras. Study after study shows these cameras cause more accidents not less. The accidents also cost much more to repair.

I have issues with politicians compromising our safety in the name of increased revenues. 

I most definitely have serious issues with people like yourself who justify all this with platitudes.

I also don&#039;t have the problem you have with people almost hitting me because as a safe and prudent driver, I wait for cross traffic to come to a complete stop before proceeding through the intersection. Assuming that a green light means you can drive through a intersection without a care is a recipe for disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that&#8217;s not true. Many lights are timed to entrap motorists. The light is timed too short and the motorist is left with a choice jam hard on their brakes, and get into an accident, or proceed through the intersection and get a ticket for a fraction of a second infraction on the red-light. I have no issues with people who intentionally run the light getting ticketed.  I do have serious issues when the light entraps the person into running it. </p>
<p>I have issues with the safety impacts of these cameras. Study after study shows these cameras cause more accidents not less. The accidents also cost much more to repair.</p>
<p>I have issues with politicians compromising our safety in the name of increased revenues. </p>
<p>I most definitely have serious issues with people like yourself who justify all this with platitudes.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t have the problem you have with people almost hitting me because as a safe and prudent driver, I wait for cross traffic to come to a complete stop before proceeding through the intersection. Assuming that a green light means you can drive through a intersection without a care is a recipe for disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: jahue</title>
		<link>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2009/04/20/red-light-cameras-will-soon-be-online/comment-page-1/#comment-11134</link>
		<dc:creator>jahue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are obeying the road laws and speed limits then you have nothing to worry about.  Law abiding drivers will not be ticketed.  When a driver sees a yellow light that means slow down and prepare to stop, not speed up and run the light.  

Red light runners narrowly miss my vehicle at least 3 times a month and often with my wife and grandchildren on board.  There should be more thought about taking lives of innocent people if a light is run.

This is not about making revenue but attempting to increase safety on our streets and make drivers more aware of obeying traffic lights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are obeying the road laws and speed limits then you have nothing to worry about.  Law abiding drivers will not be ticketed.  When a driver sees a yellow light that means slow down and prepare to stop, not speed up and run the light.  </p>
<p>Red light runners narrowly miss my vehicle at least 3 times a month and often with my wife and grandchildren on board.  There should be more thought about taking lives of innocent people if a light is run.</p>
<p>This is not about making revenue but attempting to increase safety on our streets and make drivers more aware of obeying traffic lights.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Larson</title>
		<link>http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/2009/04/20/red-light-cameras-will-soon-be-online/comment-page-1/#comment-10912</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing to be aware of is that the major source of revenue for the city with these cameras is not from people who run straight through the red-light, the classic red-light runner. Instead they will get the vast majority of the revenue from people who do not come to a complete stop when making a right turn on red. This is a violation of the law, but generally is the safest type of red-light violation.  

Another point to be aware of is the fact that You have to come to a complete stop twice at some intersections. If the line is set back away from the curb, you must come to a complete stop at the stop line, and again at the curb. This little gotcha is another reason why these cameras are so scammy... 

&lt;img class=&quot;alignright size-medium wp-image-18305&quot; title=&quot;Scameras&quot; src=&quot;http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/stop_light-230x450.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Scameras&quot;  height=&quot;250&quot; /&gt;While the average police officer may indeed wish to make the roads safer, The Police Department leadership and the Politicians are only seeing how much of your hard earned cash that they will get to spend. To see things from their point of view you only have to look at the image to the right. 

Another issue with these cameras is that you will not receive a notice of violation until weeks after the alleged violation occurred. With a police officer you can justify your actions immediately while the incident is still fresh in memory. These cameras rely on you not being able to recall the incident and thus being at a disadvantage for defending yourself. Some people maintain that this is a violation of their Due Process rights, and that is defiantly a claim to look into with an attorney if you wish to challenge the ticket.

The process the city intends to subject you is the equivalent of a civil lawsuit. The city maintains that your violation of their red-light laws caused them an unspecified harm thus entitling them to monetary damages. There is a lesser standard of evidence that applies at these proceedings. The city considers you guilty unless you are able to prove yourself innocent to their satisfaction. They will also almost triple the fine if you dare to attempt to defend your self. Which many people to consider an attempt by the City and Redflex to deny you your constitutional right to defend yourself, and to a jury trial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing to be aware of is that the major source of revenue for the city with these cameras is not from people who run straight through the red-light, the classic red-light runner. Instead they will get the vast majority of the revenue from people who do not come to a complete stop when making a right turn on red. This is a violation of the law, but generally is the safest type of red-light violation.  </p>
<p>Another point to be aware of is the fact that You have to come to a complete stop twice at some intersections. If the line is set back away from the curb, you must come to a complete stop at the stop line, and again at the curb. This little gotcha is another reason why these cameras are so scammy&#8230; </p>
<p><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-18305" title="Scameras" src="http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/stop_light-230x450.jpg" alt="Scameras"  height="250" />While the average police officer may indeed wish to make the roads safer, The Police Department leadership and the Politicians are only seeing how much of your hard earned cash that they will get to spend. To see things from their point of view you only have to look at the image to the right. </p>
<p>Another issue with these cameras is that you will not receive a notice of violation until weeks after the alleged violation occurred. With a police officer you can justify your actions immediately while the incident is still fresh in memory. These cameras rely on you not being able to recall the incident and thus being at a disadvantage for defending yourself. Some people maintain that this is a violation of their Due Process rights, and that is defiantly a claim to look into with an attorney if you wish to challenge the ticket.</p>
<p>The process the city intends to subject you is the equivalent of a civil lawsuit. The city maintains that your violation of their red-light laws caused them an unspecified harm thus entitling them to monetary damages. There is a lesser standard of evidence that applies at these proceedings. The city considers you guilty unless you are able to prove yourself innocent to their satisfaction. They will also almost triple the fine if you dare to attempt to defend your self. Which many people to consider an attempt by the City and Redflex to deny you your constitutional right to defend yourself, and to a jury trial.</p>
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