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		<title>By: Scott Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they reversed it, but only 5-4. I can&#039;t fathom what those 4 were thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they reversed it, but only 5-4. I can&#8217;t fathom what those 4 were thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an opinion from a brilliant man, http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell061609.php3 ,.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an opinion from a brilliant man, <a target="_blank" href="http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell061609.php3"   rel="nofollow">http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell061609.php3</a> ,.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, you stated it sounded like the city &quot;did only what it was required&quot;.  They actually did more than that.  In an effort to be even more politically correct, they had an outside firm administer the qualifying exam to specifically make sure there was no racial bias.  So, if the exam administered was done so without prejudice, then there should be no problem with the results.  Just because you don&#039;t get the results you want, is no reason to &quot;take your ball and go home.  The sad part is we are only hearing about this because of the skin color of the applicants.  If they wanted true equality, they should vote to remove the box marked &quot;race&quot; from the applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, you stated it sounded like the city &#8220;did only what it was required&#8221;.  They actually did more than that.  In an effort to be even more politically correct, they had an outside firm administer the qualifying exam to specifically make sure there was no racial bias.  So, if the exam administered was done so without prejudice, then there should be no problem with the results.  Just because you don&#8217;t get the results you want, is no reason to &#8220;take your ball and go home.  The sad part is we are only hearing about this because of the skin color of the applicants.  If they wanted true equality, they should vote to remove the box marked &#8220;race&#8221; from the applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Bill, I&#039;ve read all that as well.  So what part of that decision is &quot;sound&quot;?  As I said, it is a courts job to research and see if actions violate other laws, namely the Constitution.  None of the other judges have been nominated to the Supreme Court so basically, they&#039;re that districts problem.  Basically, if you read the entire transcript of the court document, you&#039;d see Title VII is simply a racial quota.  The TRUE question is May an employer disregard the results of a qualifying examination, which was constructed and intentionally designed to ensure race neutrality, if the results yeilded too many of one race and not another?  Obviously Sotomayor thinks it should be able too.  Now, the real question which she refused to answer in her concurring opinion, is what if most or all of the 20 who qualified were minorities? What if they needed more whites in management to reach quotas?  Obviously, she&#039;d HAVE to rule in favor of the quotas now.  Its just as shameful to deny a qualified applicant because they&#039;re a minority as it is to disqualify someone because they&#039;re white.  No matter how its sugar-coated, its still discrimination and doesn&#039;t afford equal protection under the law, based SOLELY on race.  The city made sure the company designing the test, did so to INSURE racial neutrality, they &quot;crated&quot; their own rock and hard place, then tried to slither out from between it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Bill, I&#8217;ve read all that as well.  So what part of that decision is &#8220;sound&#8221;?  As I said, it is a courts job to research and see if actions violate other laws, namely the Constitution.  None of the other judges have been nominated to the Supreme Court so basically, they&#8217;re that districts problem.  Basically, if you read the entire transcript of the court document, you&#8217;d see Title VII is simply a racial quota.  The TRUE question is May an employer disregard the results of a qualifying examination, which was constructed and intentionally designed to ensure race neutrality, if the results yeilded too many of one race and not another?  Obviously Sotomayor thinks it should be able too.  Now, the real question which she refused to answer in her concurring opinion, is what if most or all of the 20 who qualified were minorities? What if they needed more whites in management to reach quotas?  Obviously, she&#8217;d HAVE to rule in favor of the quotas now.  Its just as shameful to deny a qualified applicant because they&#8217;re a minority as it is to disqualify someone because they&#8217;re white.  No matter how its sugar-coated, its still discrimination and doesn&#8217;t afford equal protection under the law, based SOLELY on race.  The city made sure the company designing the test, did so to INSURE racial neutrality, they &#8220;crated&#8221; their own rock and hard place, then tried to slither out from between it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know which one you are referring to. Judge Sotomayer did not preside on this case during trial, nor was she alone in hearing the appeal. 

She was one of three judges who agreed they should accept the lower courts well documented and reasoned decision in this case.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The two other judges, Judges Pooler and Sack, and Judge Sotomayor all agreed that they did not have anything to add to Judge Arternon&#039;s decision so they issued a &quot;per curiam&quot; opinion which, in essence, adopted the lower court&#039;s reasoning.

&lt;blockquote&gt;We affirm, for the reasons stated in the thorough, thoughtful, and well-reasoned opinion of the court below. Ricci v. DeStefano, 2006 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 73277, 2006 WL 2828419 (D.Conn., Sept. 28, 2006). In this case, the Civil Service Board found itself in the unfortunate position of having no good alternatives. We are not unsympathetic to the plaintiffs’ expression of frustration. Mr. Ricci, for example, who is dyslexic, made intensive efforts that appear to have resulted in his scoring highly on one of the exams, only to have it invalidated. But it simply does not follow that he has a viable Title VII claim. To the contrary, because the Board, in refusing to validate the exams, was simply trying to fulfill its obligations under Title VII when confronted with test results that had a disproportionate racial impact, its actions were protected.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


The majority of the judges on the court of appeals voted to declined to hear the case en banc (the full panel of judges), Sotomayer was just one of the seven judges voting in favor of denying the en banc re-hearing...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/06-4996-cv_opn2.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/06-4996-cv_opn2.pdf&lt;/a&gt;

This is what a lawyer had to say...

&lt;blockquote&gt;The attack on Judge Sotomayor from some on the Ricci case seems to focus on the fact that she and two other judges decided to dismiss the claim in a &quot;per curiam&quot; decision, rather than in a lengthy one. However, there are many reasons why a case might be decided in that fashion and to attribute and speculate as to the reasons it was used in the Ricci case seems to be reaching for an argument that might not otherwise exist.  And regardless, there were many other judges in the Second Circuit who did not believe the case warranted any further decision either as determined by the en banc vote.  Are all of them disqualified from serving on the Second Circuit too?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When you read about this case, it appears that based on the reasoning expressed in the decision was indeed sound...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Ricci%2C_et_al._v._DeStefano%2C_et_al\.&quot;  target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Ricci%2C_et_al._v._DeStefano%2C_et_al.&lt;/a&gt;

Basically the city was between a rock and a hard place and decided to do what they thought they were required to do in that situation. The courts have ruled that the city only did what was required, and did not second guess them in this instance. The U.S. Supreme court decision is still pending and we shall all see what the highest court in the land has to say on the matter before too long..

Mind you my comments on the firefighters case is based on 45 minutes of research...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know which one you are referring to. Judge Sotomayer did not preside on this case during trial, nor was she alone in hearing the appeal. </p>
<p>She was one of three judges who agreed they should accept the lower courts well documented and reasoned decision in this case.</p>
<blockquote><p>The two other judges, Judges Pooler and Sack, and Judge Sotomayor all agreed that they did not have anything to add to Judge Arternon&#8217;s decision so they issued a &#8220;per curiam&#8221; opinion which, in essence, adopted the lower court&#8217;s reasoning.</p>
<blockquote><p>We affirm, for the reasons stated in the thorough, thoughtful, and well-reasoned opinion of the court below. Ricci v. DeStefano, 2006 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 73277, 2006 WL 2828419 (D.Conn., Sept. 28, 2006). In this case, the Civil Service Board found itself in the unfortunate position of having no good alternatives. We are not unsympathetic to the plaintiffs’ expression of frustration. Mr. Ricci, for example, who is dyslexic, made intensive efforts that appear to have resulted in his scoring highly on one of the exams, only to have it invalidated. But it simply does not follow that he has a viable Title VII claim. To the contrary, because the Board, in refusing to validate the exams, was simply trying to fulfill its obligations under Title VII when confronted with test results that had a disproportionate racial impact, its actions were protected.</p></blockquote>
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<p>The majority of the judges on the court of appeals voted to declined to hear the case en banc (the full panel of judges), Sotomayer was just one of the seven judges voting in favor of denying the en banc re-hearing&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/06-4996-cv_opn2.pdf"   target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://lashawnbarber.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/06-4996-cv_opn2.pdf</a></p>
<p>This is what a lawyer had to say&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>The attack on Judge Sotomayor from some on the Ricci case seems to focus on the fact that she and two other judges decided to dismiss the claim in a &#8220;per curiam&#8221; decision, rather than in a lengthy one. However, there are many reasons why a case might be decided in that fashion and to attribute and speculate as to the reasons it was used in the Ricci case seems to be reaching for an argument that might not otherwise exist.  And regardless, there were many other judges in the Second Circuit who did not believe the case warranted any further decision either as determined by the en banc vote.  Are all of them disqualified from serving on the Second Circuit too?</p></blockquote>
<p>When you read about this case, it appears that based on the reasoning expressed in the decision was indeed sound&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Ricci%2C_et_al._v._DeStefano%2C_et_al."   target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a><a target="_blank" href="http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Ricci%2C_et_al._v._DeStefano%2C_et_al"  rel="nofollow">http://www.scotuswiki.com/index.php?title=Ricci%2C_et_al._v._DeStefano%2C_et_al</a>.</p>
<p>Basically the city was between a rock and a hard place and decided to do what they thought they were required to do in that situation. The courts have ruled that the city only did what was required, and did not second guess them in this instance. The U.S. Supreme court decision is still pending and we shall all see what the highest court in the land has to say on the matter before too long..</p>
<p>Mind you my comments on the firefighters case is based on 45 minutes of research&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m referring to the New Haven Firefighter case in Conn.  You can google it and find many refrences.  As for the legislating from the bench which I believe is going on with Sotomayor, and she&#039;s even admitted it by the way, there&#039;s no place for it.  What you described summarizes when laws are unclear or the meaning of them is intentionally left open to interpretation.  However, we CLEARLY have a case which violates the 14th Amendment.  You don&#039;t have to be a judge or lawyer to figure that out. Its a Judges duty to review all applicable laws when rendering judgement.  There&#039;s no way you can convince me that she &quot;overlooked&quot; the Constitution when it comes to citens being granted equal protection under the laws.  Racial quotas ARE discrimination.  There&#039;s no maybe about it.  The only &quot;places and times&quot; they&#039;re applicable is if you&#039;re teaching a seminar of what not to do.  Quotas are in no way a method to &quot;resolve an injustice&quot;.  If an &quot;injustice&quot; has occurred, then we have laws to deal with them, UNjustly handing out positions on skin color is just as arbitrary as handing them out for eye color.  When it comes to law, justice is, and should be colorblind.  Obviously there was a day when people were kept from participating because of their race, and if it occurs today, its against the law(Unless its in Sotomayor&#039;s court). Obviously people will disagree with the views and interpretation of the 14th amendment, but that&#039;s still no justification for racial preferences.  Does racism and discrimination still exist today?  OF COURSE!  We outlawed murder as well and it still occurs, but when a judge blatantly ignores the law in this fashion its shameful.  What&#039;s worse is she believes BECAUSE of her race, she&#039;s a better judge.  I still hate to think where this is going.  The only way to TRUE equality is to quit making race an issue.  I CRINGE everytime I&#039;m filling out as form and it asks for &quot;race&quot;.  Why does it matter?  Why is there even a box for it?  In the last census I checked the box &quot;Native American&quot;, since I&#039;m LITERALLY a Native American because I was born here.  I&#039;m thinking of making up my own race for the next one in 2010.  Perhaps I&#039;ll list my race as a Southern Wombat.  Is it unfortunate IF there aren&#039;t as many minorities in &quot;executive positions&quot;?  Absolutely!!  Is the answer racial quotas?  NO!!!  The answer is addressing the myriad of circumstances causing this occurrence.  If there&#039;s a lower percentage of qualfied minorities than qualified &quot;majorities&quot;, then that takes time to correct.  If there is discrimination, it needs to be exposed and eliminated immediately.  Unfortunately there are as many reasons for people hiring people to &quot;executive positions&quot; as there are people.  Sometimes proving discrimination or racism isn&#039;t as easy as seeing in handed down in a district court, and neither is correcting many of the problems which keep people from advancing regardless of race.  That being said, the answer isn&#039;t hand outs, its hard work.  Apparently even then it doesn&#039;t matter if you live in New Haven, Connecticut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m referring to the New Haven Firefighter case in Conn.  You can google it and find many refrences.  As for the legislating from the bench which I believe is going on with Sotomayor, and she&#8217;s even admitted it by the way, there&#8217;s no place for it.  What you described summarizes when laws are unclear or the meaning of them is intentionally left open to interpretation.  However, we CLEARLY have a case which violates the 14th Amendment.  You don&#8217;t have to be a judge or lawyer to figure that out. Its a Judges duty to review all applicable laws when rendering judgement.  There&#8217;s no way you can convince me that she &#8220;overlooked&#8221; the Constitution when it comes to citens being granted equal protection under the laws.  Racial quotas ARE discrimination.  There&#8217;s no maybe about it.  The only &#8220;places and times&#8221; they&#8217;re applicable is if you&#8217;re teaching a seminar of what not to do.  Quotas are in no way a method to &#8220;resolve an injustice&#8221;.  If an &#8220;injustice&#8221; has occurred, then we have laws to deal with them, UNjustly handing out positions on skin color is just as arbitrary as handing them out for eye color.  When it comes to law, justice is, and should be colorblind.  Obviously there was a day when people were kept from participating because of their race, and if it occurs today, its against the law(Unless its in Sotomayor&#8217;s court). Obviously people will disagree with the views and interpretation of the 14th amendment, but that&#8217;s still no justification for racial preferences.  Does racism and discrimination still exist today?  OF COURSE!  We outlawed murder as well and it still occurs, but when a judge blatantly ignores the law in this fashion its shameful.  What&#8217;s worse is she believes BECAUSE of her race, she&#8217;s a better judge.  I still hate to think where this is going.  The only way to TRUE equality is to quit making race an issue.  I CRINGE everytime I&#8217;m filling out as form and it asks for &#8220;race&#8221;.  Why does it matter?  Why is there even a box for it?  In the last census I checked the box &#8220;Native American&#8221;, since I&#8217;m LITERALLY a Native American because I was born here.  I&#8217;m thinking of making up my own race for the next one in 2010.  Perhaps I&#8217;ll list my race as a Southern Wombat.  Is it unfortunate IF there aren&#8217;t as many minorities in &#8220;executive positions&#8221;?  Absolutely!!  Is the answer racial quotas?  NO!!!  The answer is addressing the myriad of circumstances causing this occurrence.  If there&#8217;s a lower percentage of qualfied minorities than qualified &#8220;majorities&#8221;, then that takes time to correct.  If there is discrimination, it needs to be exposed and eliminated immediately.  Unfortunately there are as many reasons for people hiring people to &#8220;executive positions&#8221; as there are people.  Sometimes proving discrimination or racism isn&#8217;t as easy as seeing in handed down in a district court, and neither is correcting many of the problems which keep people from advancing regardless of race.  That being said, the answer isn&#8217;t hand outs, its hard work.  Apparently even then it doesn&#8217;t matter if you live in New Haven, Connecticut.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are not amending the law nor changing the constitution. Therefore the amendment process does not apply. 

They are saying that based on the clear text of the law this is the official determination on what it means. If they go too far the judgment will be struck down on appeal. If they don&#039;t go far enough a future court case will expand the understanding of the law in question until it reaches perfect clarity.

A good example of this is with Software patents. Originally they were banned because they were abstract concepts. A court ruling said that they were indeed allowed because the software was ran on a machine.  The negative affects lead to more challenges and eventually another court ruling said that the first court was wrong and they clarified the requirement that the involvement a physical transformation is required in order for the software item to be patentable.

Now the Supreme court is going to take a look at business process patents. How they will go on this is anyone&#039;s guess. I think that again if the patent is abstract the law should not allow them. 

Congress frequently passes laws without giving enough thought to the implication of their Legislation. That is why it&#039;s the job of the courts to step in and say this is what the law said and this is how we apply it.

Until this time I have not offered my views on racial quotas. I think that there are places and times when they are likely still applicable. I think the determination factor should be was the system setup in a way to intentionally exclude racial minorities from participation. If so then yes quotas would be a way of resolving this injustice. 

Was that the case with the situation you referenced? I have no idea. So I will reserve my judgment on the merits of that particular case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not amending the law nor changing the constitution. Therefore the amendment process does not apply. </p>
<p>They are saying that based on the clear text of the law this is the official determination on what it means. If they go too far the judgment will be struck down on appeal. If they don&#8217;t go far enough a future court case will expand the understanding of the law in question until it reaches perfect clarity.</p>
<p>A good example of this is with Software patents. Originally they were banned because they were abstract concepts. A court ruling said that they were indeed allowed because the software was ran on a machine.  The negative affects lead to more challenges and eventually another court ruling said that the first court was wrong and they clarified the requirement that the involvement a physical transformation is required in order for the software item to be patentable.</p>
<p>Now the Supreme court is going to take a look at business process patents. How they will go on this is anyone&#8217;s guess. I think that again if the patent is abstract the law should not allow them. </p>
<p>Congress frequently passes laws without giving enough thought to the implication of their Legislation. That is why it&#8217;s the job of the courts to step in and say this is what the law said and this is how we apply it.</p>
<p>Until this time I have not offered my views on racial quotas. I think that there are places and times when they are likely still applicable. I think the determination factor should be was the system setup in a way to intentionally exclude racial minorities from participation. If so then yes quotas would be a way of resolving this injustice. </p>
<p>Was that the case with the situation you referenced? I have no idea. So I will reserve my judgment on the merits of that particular case.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 00:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no, the Constitution is a living, breathing document, and that&#039;s why we have Amendments. Again, I&#039;m not specifically talking about &quot;changing&quot; laws, which was Jefferson&#039;s point in the excerpt you cited.  We have a system for changing, amending, or even making new laws and that does NOT involve the Judicial branch.  While it is important to remember Judicial bodies have to have room for interpretation of the laws, their job is to APPLY the laws we have, not to legislate from the bench.  If we have laws, such as the 14th amendment which states, &quot;No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.&quot;  Since the 20 firefighters were denied advancement solely because of their skin color, I certainly feel, and obviously so do they, that they are not being granted equal protection under the law.  I&#039;m positive the Supreme court will reverse her ruling.  What I see is discrimination based upon skin color and I also see we&#039;ve had laws in place for many years which prohibits such acts.  If you want local governments to be able to hand out positions based upon race, gender, etc, then you need to talk to your legislator and have them propose laws which coincide with that agenda, but once it gets to our Judicial system, any such law should be ruled as unconstitutional.  How well do you think a constitutional amendment allowing racial quotas would go over?  Please Bill, we are way past that as a society.  I understand your position, you want to see minorities get a fair shake, and I do as well, but handing out positions because of race, gender, etc, is not only dangerous, but its unconstitutionally wrong.  I read Kathleen Parker&#039;s commentary in the LC today and it made me wonder how people can actually support such positions so blindly.  The only &quot;oppression&quot; would be laws which judge people based upon appearance, rather than the merit and substance of their argument and the content of their character.  Imagine if the 20 firefighters had been Hispanic or any other minority, and they were passed up for promotion because there were no &quot;whites&quot; in upper management.  Its the same thing Bill, discrimination is discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no, the Constitution is a living, breathing document, and that&#8217;s why we have Amendments. Again, I&#8217;m not specifically talking about &#8220;changing&#8221; laws, which was Jefferson&#8217;s point in the excerpt you cited.  We have a system for changing, amending, or even making new laws and that does NOT involve the Judicial branch.  While it is important to remember Judicial bodies have to have room for interpretation of the laws, their job is to APPLY the laws we have, not to legislate from the bench.  If we have laws, such as the 14th amendment which states, &#8220;No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.&#8221;  Since the 20 firefighters were denied advancement solely because of their skin color, I certainly feel, and obviously so do they, that they are not being granted equal protection under the law.  I&#8217;m positive the Supreme court will reverse her ruling.  What I see is discrimination based upon skin color and I also see we&#8217;ve had laws in place for many years which prohibits such acts.  If you want local governments to be able to hand out positions based upon race, gender, etc, then you need to talk to your legislator and have them propose laws which coincide with that agenda, but once it gets to our Judicial system, any such law should be ruled as unconstitutional.  How well do you think a constitutional amendment allowing racial quotas would go over?  Please Bill, we are way past that as a society.  I understand your position, you want to see minorities get a fair shake, and I do as well, but handing out positions because of race, gender, etc, is not only dangerous, but its unconstitutionally wrong.  I read Kathleen Parker&#8217;s commentary in the LC today and it made me wonder how people can actually support such positions so blindly.  The only &#8220;oppression&#8221; would be laws which judge people based upon appearance, rather than the merit and substance of their argument and the content of their character.  Imagine if the 20 firefighters had been Hispanic or any other minority, and they were passed up for promotion because there were no &#8220;whites&#8221; in upper management.  Its the same thing Bill, discrimination is discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 23:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the problem is you see the constitution as a dead document one that can never change, that the way it was written means what it was meant then and nothing can ever change that. 

However the founding fathers realized that a constitution fixed in stone would be unable adapt and change with the growth of the society it protected.  The Constitution was written to be broad and flexible to accommodate for change in society over time. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;1. To insert essential principles only; lest the operations of government should be clogged by rendering those provisions permanent and unalterable, &lt;strong&gt;which ought to be accommodated to times and events:&lt;/strong&gt; and

2. To use simple and precise language, and general propositions, according to the example of the constitutions of the several states.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is a quote from Edmund Randolph&#039;s statement in the preamble of the Committee of Detail at the Constitutional Convention. He is one of the Writers of the constitution. You can&#039;t get much more direct on the question if the Constitution was written to be a living or a dead document that that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;(The consitution)intended to endure for ages to come, and, consequently, to be adapted to the various crises of human affairs.&quot; - &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Justice John Marshall&#039;s in McCulloch v. Maryland&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Then we have Thomas Jefferson&#039;s wisdom which I feel directly applies to your position.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors. - &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thomas Jefferson&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The quotes in this comment are from the English version of the Wikipedia but verified via other sources.

The reason all this matters is because it&#039;s the job of the judiciary to interpret the constitution and laws. So they have to adapt and adjust the meanings, as the meaning changes to society as a whole.

Some people have taken to calling this judicial activism in an attempt to brand judges with a perjorative, but instead it is simply a result of the process of judges being judicial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem is you see the constitution as a dead document one that can never change, that the way it was written means what it was meant then and nothing can ever change that. </p>
<p>However the founding fathers realized that a constitution fixed in stone would be unable adapt and change with the growth of the society it protected.  The Constitution was written to be broad and flexible to accommodate for change in society over time. </p>
<blockquote><p>1. To insert essential principles only; lest the operations of government should be clogged by rendering those provisions permanent and unalterable, <strong>which ought to be accommodated to times and events:</strong> and</p>
<p>2. To use simple and precise language, and general propositions, according to the example of the constitutions of the several states.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is a quote from Edmund Randolph&#8217;s statement in the preamble of the Committee of Detail at the Constitutional Convention. He is one of the Writers of the constitution. You can&#8217;t get much more direct on the question if the Constitution was written to be a living or a dead document that that.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;(The consitution)intended to endure for ages to come, and, consequently, to be adapted to the various crises of human affairs.&#8221; &#8211; <strong><em>Justice John Marshall&#8217;s in McCulloch v. Maryland</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Then we have Thomas Jefferson&#8217;s wisdom which I feel directly applies to your position.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions, but laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors. &#8211; <strong><em>Thomas Jefferson</em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>The quotes in this comment are from the English version of the Wikipedia but verified via other sources.</p>
<p>The reason all this matters is because it&#8217;s the job of the judiciary to interpret the constitution and laws. So they have to adapt and adjust the meanings, as the meaning changes to society as a whole.</p>
<p>Some people have taken to calling this judicial activism in an attempt to brand judges with a perjorative, but instead it is simply a result of the process of judges being judicial.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Beasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Beasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 12:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Bill, I must disagree with you.  While justice is attained through the law, we have a 3 branch system of delivering justice.  Its the legislatives job to make the laws.  This is often because someone, somewhere feels as if they are not being treated fairly.  The executives job is to enfore these laws once the legislature has created them.  As a seperate, supposedly unrelated branch, it is the judicial branch&#039;s responsibility to interpret and apply the law.  While reading &quot;beyond the words&quot; is sometimes necessary to interpret meaning as you said, it is not done to &quot;seek justice&quot;.  It is done to seek the intent of the lawmakers, not to look upon a plaintiff or defendant and render judgement based upon skin color.  While I agree with you most people conceive what you describe as justice, I really feel as if many judges don&#039;t get a fair shake from the people, as they are constantly being judged as too liberal or too conservative.  They have to operate within the confines of the law.  When the laws do not allow for enough, arbitrary or excessive punishment, people tend to get dismissive of the entire system based upon one incident.  Instead of blaming the judges, they need to blame the lawmakers for creating or lack of creating certain laws.  What we do NOT need is judges who legislate from the bench.  I can&#039;t explain how dangerous this is, and it is why I&#039;m opposed to Sotomayor&#039;s nomination. (Along with the New Haven ruling and discriminatory comments.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Bill, I must disagree with you.  While justice is attained through the law, we have a 3 branch system of delivering justice.  Its the legislatives job to make the laws.  This is often because someone, somewhere feels as if they are not being treated fairly.  The executives job is to enfore these laws once the legislature has created them.  As a seperate, supposedly unrelated branch, it is the judicial branch&#8217;s responsibility to interpret and apply the law.  While reading &#8220;beyond the words&#8221; is sometimes necessary to interpret meaning as you said, it is not done to &#8220;seek justice&#8221;.  It is done to seek the intent of the lawmakers, not to look upon a plaintiff or defendant and render judgement based upon skin color.  While I agree with you most people conceive what you describe as justice, I really feel as if many judges don&#8217;t get a fair shake from the people, as they are constantly being judged as too liberal or too conservative.  They have to operate within the confines of the law.  When the laws do not allow for enough, arbitrary or excessive punishment, people tend to get dismissive of the entire system based upon one incident.  Instead of blaming the judges, they need to blame the lawmakers for creating or lack of creating certain laws.  What we do NOT need is judges who legislate from the bench.  I can&#8217;t explain how dangerous this is, and it is why I&#8217;m opposed to Sotomayor&#8217;s nomination. (Along with the New Haven ruling and discriminatory comments.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 08:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It is also not a judge’s responsibility to see that “justice” is done. It is their job to interpret and apply the law. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But that is exactly the job of a judge, to ensure that everyone who appears before him or her receives justice. 

As such at times it is the responsibility of a judge to look beyond the words of the law to find true justice for the parties involved. What you describe is oppressive law.

This is what most people conceive as justice.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Justice cannot exist without fundamental fairness.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It is also not a judge’s responsibility to see that “justice” is done. It is their job to interpret and apply the law. </p></blockquote>
<p>But that is exactly the job of a judge, to ensure that everyone who appears before him or her receives justice. </p>
<p>As such at times it is the responsibility of a judge to look beyond the words of the law to find true justice for the parties involved. What you describe is oppressive law.</p>
<p>This is what most people conceive as justice.</p>
<blockquote><p>The upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with honor, standards, or law.</p></blockquote>
<p>Justice cannot exist without fundamental fairness.</p>
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