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The 3rd debate: Did McCain really say that?

I googled the third debate dialogue to see if McCain really said:

  1. Put soldiers in schools as teachers without requiring certification and Desert Storm was about protecting the oil.
  2. Americans are innocent victims of greed and excess on Wall Street and as well as Washington, D.C.
  3. Palin is a role model to women.
  4. McCain rallies harbor few fringe peoples.

Here are McCain’s statements:

1. McCain’s solutions to education and why we had Desert Storm.

During the third debate, when asked about the state of education in the US, McCain had this, among other things, to say:

McCain: “We need to encourage programs such as Teach for America and Troops to Teachers where people, after having served in the military, can go right to teaching and not have to take these examinations or have the certification that  are are required in many states.”

My Reaction (Incredulous) : Returning soldiers should go straight into teaching?

Soldiers coming back from the war are all, every one of them, suffering from PTSD, according to local psychologists in Montgomery County.  Here, at the home of Fort Campbell army base, agencies that deal with child abuse issues are spending a lot, if not most, of their time with military families.  Soldiers are gone so long from their growing families that they come back out of touch with their children and how to react and interact with them.

Many soldiers came back from the first deployment with sex addictions that befuddled local psychologist, Mary Coe.  News of rape within the armed forces continues to escalate at an alarming rate.  Now McCain suggests that we should put these soldiers in a room with our young, attractive, hormonal young women and men? Or the youngest of our children?

No certification required of soldiers to teach our children?  Well then, what are they going to teach, and how?  Am I jumping off a limb to say that soldiers know how to be good soldiers, how to obey orders without question?  Will classrooms be organized in a military atmosphere, where you listen when told to do so and speak only when spoken to?  Where the teacher’s job is to break down the students and rebuild them as one unit?  People I know, with kids and without, will tell me this is a great idea.  Teach kids how to respect, obey, and have discipline.  To force feed information without question? Without critical thinking and questioning? That works fine if you’re not trying to work with kids who love to learn, who are creative and who can find and express their own personalities.  And the kids who don’t fit in?  How does the military deal with that?  A group is only as strong as its weakest person.

Meticulously programmed Robby the Robot (Forbidden Planet/1956)

Personally, I can’t imagine that making kids into bigger better robots than they are now is the best thing for them or our future.  Or that making them hate school more than many do now is a solution.

No Child Left Behind is teaching kids to memorize data for tests, but we can and should do so much better than that, move beyond that.  We can make kids really hate learning and resist school, essentially pulling them to a place where their choice for the future is narrowed down to the military.

Or, worse yet, it will produce kids who love the discipline so much that they’ll be ready to choose the military as their future.  These kids will be so dedicated that they would turn in even their parents as traitors. Ok, let’s just say there’s something to that idea.  Why does McCain want or need to make larger armies?

McCain: (from the 3rd debate script)


“He (Obama) voted against the first Gulf War. He voted against it and, obviously, we had to take Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait or it would’ve threatened the Middle Eastern world supply.

He said (the war) threatened world supply, not oppressed people.  Kuwait sits on 10 percent of the world oil reserves, so fighting the terrorist Saddam was about protecting our source of oil and now our largest trading partner. This fact has been confirmed to me by a Vet of that and two other wars.

McCain needs armies to conquer oil-rich countries.  Let the Christian extremists believe that Muslims are evil and tell the rest of us that we are defending ourselves against terror.  What happened to the “spreading Democracy” thing?  We bought that for awhile.  Election time arrives: bring terror back into the picture.

If we keep using oil, we burn up the planet, even if we could justify our barbaric invasion into Iraq and Iran for oil.

2.  The Maverick has experience in an economic collapse.

McCain:Americans are hurting right now, and they’re angry. They’re hurting, and they’re angry. They’re innocent victims of greed and excess on Wall Street and as well as Washington, D.C. And they’re angry, and they have every reason to be angry.”

My Reaction: Both Democrats and Republicans can be blamed for the current economic crisis.  But we should consider who has more “experience” in the world of high finance fraud.  When McCain says American’s are angry, does he know what it is like to lose your life’s savings and your future well-being?

From Wikipedia

“Lincoln Savings and Loan collapsed in 1989, at a cost of over $3 billion to the federal government. Some 23,000 Lincoln bondholders were defrauded and many elderly investors lost their life savings. The accompanying slowdown in the finance industry and the real estate market may have been a contributing cause of the 1990-1991 economic recession.

“Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association made substantial political contributions to 5 senators, Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH),John McCain (R-AZ), and Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), totalling $1.3 million. Keating said, “One question …had to do with whether my financial support in any way influenced several political figures to take up my cause. I want to say in the most forceful way I can: I certainly hope so.”

“After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings, with Cranston receiving a formal reprimand. Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised “poor judgment.”

McCain admitted that was the worst mistake in his life. Thank goodness that hand slap worked; now the Maverick is running for president and I can’t image him being bought out by private interests. (sarcasm, Miss Betty, sarcasm)

So far I see a man with big bucks in his pocket and his hands in the poop when the last recession (so similar to this one!) hit.

3. Palin is a role model to women (in men’s fantasies).

McCain (From the third debate): “Well, Americans have gotten to know Sarah Palin. They know that she’s a role model to women and others — and reformers all over America. She’s a reformer”.

My Reaction: She’s a role model alright. We don’t want a Hillary running things because she stands on her own integrity. Hillary doesn’t support a man because he’s a man. We want a woman who agrees with and defends the man. Palin can take it and turn around and defend it. That’s a role model in the man’s sexual fantasy.

Palin’s a reformer alright. In a YouTube video she greets the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaska to secede from the Union.

From their website:

Q: What is the Alaskan Independence Party?

A: An Alaskan political party whose members advocate a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority; from advocacy for state’s rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska.

4. Why the negative campaigning, McCain?

So far, I see a man with big bucks in his pocket and his hands in the poop when the last recession (so similar to this one!) hit. And a woman who holds down the victim while developers rape the land; later she and Joe Six Pack threw around their power by shooting down protected wolves from a helicopter. Oh, she’s a role model alright. She can take it and turn around and defend it. A man’s fantasy role model. She even charges rape victims for their medical examination (that is a fact).

How are you going to keep us from knowing about this stuff, McCain?

The best thing for you to do, McCain, is keep us from looking at you, any way that you can. You better find things wrong with your opponent and pounce on it. Even if it’s a complete lie, just say it over and over until people believe it. Keep your opponent busy clearing himself of all the crap you are saying. Remember, it doesn’t have to be true, you just need to say it a lot, and get people scared.

Say something like 9/11 and get people scared about that again. Then make-up doubts about Obama. People will make the connection. Terror = scared = Obama.

The first lie I saw was “the no hand over the heart” affair, in which Obama was accused of not crossing his heart while saying the Pledge of Allegiance.The truth to that image is that he was listening to the National Anthem. That picture of Obama not crossing his heart hangs at our local Republican headquarters today; they’re not keeping up with the rest of the world and perpetuating a blatant lie.

Then there was the no-pin problem, when Obama did not wear an American flag lapel pin. Obama rhymes with Osama. What more proof do we need that he himself is a terrorist? Obama is a Muslim. A co-worker said that to me recently. Or suggested he has a Muslim background. Geez, girl. That was so last spring. Catch up. That’s been disproved and the party has moved on to bigger, better things. Recently I saw a short movie with out-of-context slides of Muslim terrorists. Lots of blood and guts too. IS THAT WHAT WE WANT? (vote McCain)

I’ve been doing a little study of the Neo-Conservative party and their efforts to control the population. They seek to convince people that we are in terrible trouble from terrorists. (The Power of Nightmares). They use control by fear of terror.

[youtube]EaLPFayD8FA[/youtube]Americans hate the idea of being controlled or misled. This country was founded on liberty. The powers that control us have to be secretive about it. We’ve been convinced into buying more than we need so that industry stays strong. We’ve been convinced that we are in great danger — the goal of the Neo-Conservatives. The giant corporations who stand to lose their shirts if Obama wins will spend as much as it takes or do anything to make us believe it.

Edvard Munch - "The Scream" (1893)

I’ve been to England when people were afraid of bombs in fast food restaurants and airport lockers. But these people did not walk around in fear every minute; they would not buy into fear.

In the last debate, McCain put himself on the line as supporting accusations that Obama is connected to terrorists. Although his campaign had been pushing that subject for weeks, McCain said “I don’t care about an old washed-up terrorist. We need to know the full extent of Senator Obama’s relationship with ACORN, who is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy.” As Saturday Night Live puts it, he also believes there is a unicorn under his bed.

It’s desperate, McCain, but you know you have to get people scared because when they get scared they get mad and fired up enough to get out there and vote. And anyone who opposes you, well, you have to discredit them, as quick as you can. Liberal, hippie, washed up: use those words.

McCain’s supporters have been recorded calling Obama a traitor and saying things like “kill him.”

McCain (from third debate):

“Let me just say categorically I’m proud of the people that come to our rallies. Whenever you get a large rally of 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 people, you’re going to have some fringe peoples. You know that. And I’ve — and we’ve always said that that’s not appropriate. I’m not going to stand for people saying that the people that come to my rallies are anything but the most dedicated, patriotic men and women that are in this nation and they’re great citizens.”

[youtube]4fbpZXivv-M[/youtube]Are these McCain’s great citizens or some fringe peoples? They look like upstanding citizens who have gone into the fringe. You do have something to do with that McCain.

Colin Powell is upset enough with McCain’s campaign to reprimand him in a press release.

The next thing McCain will do is insist on election fraud by ACORN. McCain will tell his lies and then it becomes our job to disprove it. Visit the ACORN website. Might as well get versed up in it ahead of time.

To my fellow people on this Earth who believe in McCain:

Our founding fathers gave us a Bill of Rights that has undermined our freedom

You refuse to watch the films, you refuse to question the stuff that is thrown at you.  We knew that Bush would not kill Osama, he is best friends with the Bin Laden family (see Farenheit 9/11).  He flew the Bin Laden family out of the U.S. directly after 9/11.  We, liberals, freethinkers, decent and creative people, were right. We were right about a lot of stuff: the war, Bush, torture, oil, violations to the constitution, our rights to free speech, and our rights to privacy. When we told you about it, you bullied us to get us to shut up. You are a long way from admitting that you were being bullies, just as you are a long way from admitting that fear lay beneath that. But know that it was all cleverly controlled. Being a bully is a way you were shown (by Fox News icon Bill O’Reilly and others) that gives you a sense of power when in reality you felt powerless. Now you need to WAKE UP. See the beautiful things around you that you have the power to destroy as you sleep.

You have been controlled through images of fear and terror. You react to it by hating and bullying and believing bullshit. Having to be “right” is a very low form of emotion for Democrats and Republicans alike. It’s barely above apathy. This is not the future we want for our United States. We are all in this together. Come back to us in this uphill battle to regain our freedoms and our prosperity and our health.

We miss you and miss America. We miss decency and fun. This is our most important choice.

Click here for a CNN transcript of the third debate.

The following video is the full 90-minute 3rd presidential debate.



Debbie Boen
Debbie Boen
Debbie and her family moved to Clarksville slightly after the tornado of 1999. Debbie founded the group, Clarksville Freethinkers for Peace and Civil Liberties, in 2004. She participated in Gathering to Save Our Democracy, a group dedicated to obtaining free and verifiable elections in Tennessee. She has supported groups including the NAACP, Nashville Peace Coalition, PFLAG, Friends of Dunbar Cave and the Mountain Top Removal Series of Films and speakers. She participated as an artist in the ARTZ gallery group in Clarksville and won Best of Show, First and 2 Second Place awards for four of her sculptures. She won a voter's choice award for a performance at the Roxy Regional Theatre. She is a wife, mother and cancer survivor. She is always amazed at the capabilities of the human spirit, and the wisdom to find humor when there is none.


  1. Sending returning soldiers into our schools as teachers, without certification, is incredulous, both to my wife, a former teacher, and me. I home-schooled only one of my (now adult) six children, and that was for three years, due to an illness she suffered. Should the moronic scheme of having unqualified and untrained soldiers teach our children ever be adopted, I would immediately home-school my two youngest children.

  2. What does anyone expect from either McCain or his VP pick.Here is their education

    The Republicans: John McCain graduated at the bottom of his class 894/899 at the U.S. Naval Academy. The Naval Academy is a tough school and demands both discipline and intellect. McCain has no graduate degree.

    Sarah Palin took 6 years and transferred to at least 5 schools before receiving a degree in journalism at the University of Idaho. Again, no graduate degree.

    Obama and Biden feel All kids need an education and they believe that anyone that serves Our Country should be able to get a GI Bill to continue Schooling which McCain ‘had’ voted against!

    Education for Obama/Biden
    The candidate’s educational background is in the public record.I for one, think education does matter in electing a leader. Barack Obama’s Education: Graduated from Columbia University with a major in political science. Graduated Top of the Class from Harvard Law School. Editor of the Harvard Law Review. Spent 12 Years as a Constitutional Law Professor at the University of Chicago School of Law.

    Joe Biden: Graduated from the University of Delaware with a double major of history and political science. Graduated from Syracuse University School of Law. Both Democratic candidates have advanced degrees and are well educated, articulate and intelligent.

    What does the American People want,ones running the Country with a A+ or D-??
    About McCain and his POW Hero,All Pows are heroes
    and that doesn’t mean they are President Material or have the ability to lead.

  3. Since the 1980s, I have reviewed literally hundreds of applications for jobs and internships from aspiring writers and reporters, with an ever increasing inability on the part of applicants to fill out even the simplest application form correctly. I have watched as standardized testing lowered its standards to generate better achievement numbers rather than raising the expectation for student performance. I spent a ear intensively home-schooling my grandson, using creative idea to encourage critical thinking an addition to basic skills. It was a challenge for me, and I hold two degrees.

    McCain’s support for certification exemptions for soldiers entering the teaching profession is ludicrous. In fact, I had to view the debate transcript to see what came next, because what I had just heard left me speechless and stunned.

    I am not diminishing what our troops may or may not have to offer; I am saying that many of those with one, two, three or more extended deployments are coming back from Afghanistan and Iraq with issues; you cannot “turn off” life in a war zone by stepping back on American soil. It is documented that too many of our troops are coming with serious issues of PTSD and other mental health issues. That has to be dealt with first, and often it takes some time for symptoms to appear before treatment is obtained and the healing process can get underway.

    But more importantly, teaching itself requires more than just topical knowledge or a desire to teach; it requires intellectual and practical skills in child and adolescent development and behavior, special education, a period of “practice teaching” to hone skills … in addition to a wide base knowledge at the elementary level and perhaps a narrower but more intense “subject” (history, science, literature) knowledge at the high school level.

    Teacher certifications, like assessment tests for student achievement, are in place for a reason: to assure a standard of quality teaching for our children.

    Now I am not a fan of standardized testing, but they have a purpose. Ideally, I believe a student should master basic skills to a certain standard, but should also have an equally weighted portfolio of work in which they excel (that would be different for every child based on their abilities and interests — math, science, art etc) since there is no one-size-fits-all in education.

    My personal feeling is that our basic standards are not yet high enough; that we should expect and demand more of both teachers and students if we wish to compete in a global market. That also means providing teachers and students the opportunity to have more internal supports, smaller class sizes, and the tools needed to educate our children. Teachers should not have to be buying their own supplies, as they do in many schools.

    Education is an investment, not a luxury item. Any higher upfront cost will reap benefits in the long haul. We need to to more than maintain the status quo; we need to raise the bar. Eliminating teacher certifications for any group is the first step back to the dark ages.

  4. I appreciate and agree with the commnets by Christine and jafreelance.
    What we also need in Clarksville, TN are more pre-kindergarten classrooms and more magnet schools. We must remind the politicians who allocate education funding that quality education pays for itself. With better educated residents in better paying jobs we have fewer criminals and a higher tax base, so spending cuts for quality education are both short-sighted and foolhardy.

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